{"id":7472,"date":"2025-02-06T20:18:34","date_gmt":"2025-02-06T20:18:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mamm.cfdh.ca\/?page_id=7472"},"modified":"2025-02-06T21:20:55","modified_gmt":"2025-02-06T21:20:55","slug":"podcasts","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/mamm.cfdh.ca\/en\/podcasts\/","title":{"rendered":"Podcasts"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<iframe title=\"The MAMM Report (Part 1)\" allowtransparency=\"true\" height=\"150\" width=\"100%\" style=\"border: none; min-width: min(100%, 430px);height:150px;\" scrolling=\"no\" data-name=\"pb-iframe-player\" src=https:\/\/www.podbean.com\/player-v2\/?i=qtw2x-17e79fe-pb&#038;from=pb6admin&#038;share=1&#038;download=1&#038;rtl=0&#038;fonts=Trebuchet%20MS&#038;skin=1&#038;font-color=auto&#038;logo_link=episode_page&#038;btn-skin=666666 loading=\"lazy\"><\/iframe>\n\n\n<div class=\"gb-container gb-container-9454da6b gb-accordion\">\n<div class=\"gb-container gb-container-79881221 gb-accordion__item\" data-transition=\"slide\">\n\n<button class=\"gb-button gb-button-e818bce2 gb-accordion__toggle\"><span class=\"gb-button-text\">Transcript &#8211; The MAMM Report (Part 1)<\/span><span class=\"gb-icon\"><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 448 512\" width=\"1em\" height=\"1em\" ariahidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" class=\"gb-accordion__icon\"><path d=\"M207.029 381.476L12.686 187.132c-9.373-9.373-9.373-24.569 0-33.941l22.667-22.667c9.357-9.357 24.522-9.375 33.901-.04L224 284.505l154.745-154.021c9.379-9.335 24.544-9.317 33.901.04l22.667 22.667c9.373 9.373 9.373 24.569 0 33.941L240.971 381.476c-9.373 9.372-24.569 9.372-33.942 0z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewBox=\"0 0 448 512\" width=\"1em\" height=\"1em\" ariahidden=\"true\" role=\"img\" class=\"gb-accordion__icon-open\"><path d=\"M240.971 130.524l194.343 194.343c9.373 9.373 9.373 24.569 0 33.941l-22.667 22.667c-9.357 9.357-24.522 9.375-33.901.04L224 227.495 69.255 381.516c-9.379 9.335-24.544 9.317-33.901-.04l-22.667-22.667c-9.373-9.373-9.373-24.569 0-33.941L207.03 130.525c9.372-9.373 24.568-9.373 33.941-.001z\" fill=\"currentColor\"><\/path><\/svg><\/span><\/button>\n\n\n<div class=\"gb-accordion__content\"><div class=\"gb-container gb-container-55447157\">\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia) Hello and thank you for tuning in to our podcast, the MAMM Report, my name is Olivia Hay, I am a graduate student in Brock University\u2019s Department of English Language and Literature, and my research interests are primarily Canadian literature written by women. Today I\u2019m joined by\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily) Emily Mills! Hi, folks. I am also a student at Brock University, except I was an undergrad in the Department of Geography and Tourism Studies. Now, I\u2019m going into my Master\u2019s in Social Justice and Equity Studies to research how intersecting power discourses impact gendered citizenship and reproductive rights in our rural corner of Niagara, Ontario. But, let\u2019s get back to where we connect\u2026For the past nine-ish months, Olivia and I have been working as student research assistants on the Mapping Ann Marie MacDonald project\u2014which we refer to as MAMM. Dr. Neta Gordon, Dr. Aaron Mauro, and Dr. Ebru Ustundag are the primary grant holders and investigators of the MAMM project. Today we wanted to share a discussion of our experiences as emerging scholars working on this collaborative and interdisciplinary project, one which demonstrates the potential of exploring an ethics of care in academia through collaboration and female friendship. And before we move on, Olivia, I want to make a quick note to our listeners that we understand an ethics of care a commitment to be compassionate, responsible, and vulnerable in our relations with the world, including each other.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>(Voice 2) Olivia: Yes! Exactly. Now, to preface our discussion, Ann Marie MacDonald is a Canadian author, actor and playwright who has written four novels and several plays. MAMM is currently ending phase 1 of our project where we\u2019ve been working with MacDonald\u2019s 2003 novel <em>The Way the Crow Flies <\/em>to explore geocritical digital mapping projects. In other words, we\u2019ve been combing through the novel to find specific references to locations which we have then collated onto a map as a way of not only visualizing character routes &#8211; for example &#8211; but also exploring the geography of the novel, and as an aside if you want to follow the project as it develops further or check out our interactive map, we\u2019ll have a link in our show notes at the end. But circling back to my discussion with Emily, on this episode, we\u2019ll be reflecting on our experiences as new researchers, who have benefited from the framework of data feminism which the MAMM project highlights. Data Feminism comes from Catherine D\u2019Ignazio and Lauren Klein 2020 book of the same name and the term refers to \u201ca way of thinking about data, both their uses and their limits, that is informed by direct experience, by a commitment to action, and by intersectional feminist thought\u201d (D\u2019Ignazio and Klein 8).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Now, where I want to start\u2014because, as a geographer, I think it\u2019s fascinating to consider\u2014is how MacDonald\u2019s interest in different relational strategies to orient and make room for oneself within a particular time and place has really given us the freedom to do the same within the context of our work. Olivia and I have created safe spaces &#8211; often moving beyond the boundaries of \u201cacademic space,\u201d and flowing, for example, into coffee shops and around kitchen tables \u2013 which have allowed us to challenge each other\u2019s perspectives while also navigating the field of digital humanities <em>and<\/em> the complexities of care in academia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): &nbsp;Today Emily and I want to highlight our authentic experiences with the politics of feminist friendship and collaboration, including the \u201cmess\u201d of praxis and care, often hidden in the mobilization of knowledge. And when we refer to our praxis we mean our research process and how this is embodied.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): In 2020, Catherine D\u2019Ignazio and Lauren Klein published the book <em>Data Feminism<\/em>, where they conceptualized seven core principles for just knowledge production. After reading this work, Olivia and I found ourselves resonating with two\u2014the first, to elevate emotion and embodiment, and, the second, to make labor visible\u2014which provided us with the language to unpack our collaboration. Now, we want to take some time to have a discussion and work through their relevance to the tools and experiences that we encountered while working on this project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>&nbsp;Voice 2 (Olivia): But, before engaging in our discussion, Emily, I would like to outline how D\u2019Ignazio and Klein define each of these principles. The first principle to \u201celevate emotion and embodiment,\u201d encourages \u201cus to value multiple forms of knowledge, including the knowledge that comes from people as living feeling bodies in the world\u201d (D\u2019Ignazio and Klein 18). The second principle, \u201cmake labour visible,\u201d states that data science \u201cis the work of many hands\u201d and \u201cData feminism makes this labor visible so that it can be recognized and valued\u201d (D\u2019Ignazio and Klein 18).&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Awesome. And to wrap-up this sort of theoretical overview, I think it\u2019s useful to make plain our two intentions in having\u2014and especially publishing\u2014this discussion. First, we want to show that, by implementing principles of data feminism into research, scholars can more easily work in an interdisciplinary way and distance themselves from \u201ctraditional\u201d models of knowledge production, which privilege and value the lone academic. And, second, we want to make the case that because data feminism accounts for the individuals collecting the data, it allows friendships\u2014like ours\u2014to form. Sound good?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Olivia): Sounds good. Let\u2019s start thinking about our first principle from D\u2019Ignazio and Klein, which is: Elevate emotion &amp; embodiment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Emily): Cool. Well, we know that within the \u201ctraditional\u201d North American academic models for many disciplines, the prevailing standard (or myth) is that research tends to be done in isolation. This standard follows from a neoliberal logic of academia wherein scholars compete to produce work for their institutions and funding agencies. But this structure positions colleagues as competitors and has, therefore, faced a significant amount of critique within the literature on knowledge production. However, all that being said, isolated research can be ethical and\u2014to be transparent\u2014has produced some of my best work. Would you agree, Olivia?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Agreed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Right. So, the purpose of our discussion can\u2019t\u2014and I don\u2019t think will\u2014become a villainization of \u201ctraditional\u201d methods of knowledge production. Instead, we need to create space to just understand and appreciate the process of co-producing research through a feminist friendship.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): I think as well that our discussion allows us to further consider and open up the conversation on how co-produced work can be informed through feminist thought. In its most fundamental form, collaboration is the act of working on something with other people, though even this definition can be further complicated.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Yes! For example, as a critical and feminist geographer, I understand people as emplaced within power structures. So, within this context, collaboration\u2014at least that which leads to justice in knowledge production\u2014requires us to be reflexive, such as through questioning and disrupting learned hierarchies that dictate how we think we should orient and perform ourselves. You know? It makes me think of how our team has always recognized that a junior research assistant\u2014like me\u2014embodies knowledge about the world that contributes to our work and, therefore, their voice holds the same inherent value as a colleague with more academic experience\u2014such as you, Olivia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Agreed. Our collaboration has led us to develop that ethic of care &#8211; which Emily mentioned earlier &#8211; as we assume responsibility for our teammates. So, this praxis demands that we value the multiple forms of knowledge that bring meaning to our research <em>and<\/em> the person that embodies that work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): And\u2014to add more context for listeners\u2014we should outline that, since the beginning of our work, Olivia and I have navigated this collaborative process as feminist friends. And, the scholarship I\u2019ve read on feminist friendship often positions it as a liberating tool for academics\u2026I think we could both agree.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Yeah, I would.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Same. I\u2019d argue that our friendship has allowed us to develop the trust needed to be vulnerable with our experiences as researchers in-training, which has provided us with much-needed (perhaps even self-preserving?) mutual affirmation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Pivoting from that contextualization of our work, Emily and I would now like to further explore our roles within MAMM as embodied and emotional individuals. We met in November 2023, when the team held its first meeting. Dr. Neta Gordon asked the team members to introduce themselves\u2014I think Emily you\u2019ll agree we were all nervous in this moment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily) Absolutely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia) Right? Like, no one wants to mess up their chance to verbalize their potential value to the work. I remember going first, mentioning that I was doing my master\u2019s &#8211; exploring pockets of feminist friendship and the positives of the dark body of female friendships within patriarchal community structures, specifically in Anabaptist-Mennonite literature.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Your research is so cool.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Thank you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Anyways, afterwards, I explained to the group that, in the next fall, I\u2019d be focusing my thesis on the intersections of different power discourses and gendered citizenship in rural Niagara, ultimately working to conceptualize its impact on the status of reproductive rights. So, it was really in this conversation that we found our first touching point: a feminist frustration.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And, within a week, we had decided to have a coffee date to discuss the intersections between our research interests. I don\u2019t know if I\u2019ve shared this with you before, Olivia, but I was feeling really unsettled as I walked across campus to meet you. I was insecure in being an undergraduate student because, what would you, a graduate student, benefit from our conversation? You know? I was thinking about research, meanwhile, you were actually <em>doing<\/em> research. But, of course, this concern was resolved as we began to speak, ultimately sharing the stories that brought us to that moment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): And Emily and I quickly found many similarities amongst these stories; for example, we share a passion for reading, exhaustion with far-right family members, and more. So while this first conversation was intended to be a transaction of knowledge, it evolved into a truth-telling session wherein we found ourselves positioned as allies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): I think it was for this reason that, as the weeks progressed, we completely stopped placing academic intentions on our gatherings. And, in line with this transition, we also found ourselves in more open places, including restaurants, farmers markets, and downtown events. I would conceptualize this as a transition into intimate geographies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): While we were choosing new backgrounds that accompanied the senses\u2014such as comfort, chaos, and excitement\u2014associated with the growth of an emotional attachment, we were also developing a unique relational space. This relational space, unlike absolute or boxed space, becomes occupational through its connections; so, it\u2019s mobile.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): It was this space-making characteristic of our relationship that allowed us to evolve how we thought about and participated in the academic spaces of our work. Our meetings were held in classrooms that you and I have both experienced as students, which means that these spaces hold memories\u2014and therefore emotions\u2014for us that are unrelated to MAMM.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): If you\u2019ll indulge my English major tendencies, Emily, suppose we use the simile that classrooms are like students\u2019 institutional living rooms. In that case, we can understand that depending on which department our meetings occurred within, we took turns being the \u201cguest\u201d and the \u201chost.\u201d The former of these positionalities is associated with a learned smallness, which can be visualized, for example, through the containing of our work materials to a small section of the desk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): I don\u2019t want to interrupt your train of thought, Olivia, but, in these moments, it was so interesting how we found ourselves developing connections to the novel we were coding. There is this passage I have engrained in my mind where Madeleine\u2014the protagonist, for those listening\u2014describes the feeling of \u201cbelonging and not belonging,\u201d and \u201cbeing on the inside and outside at the same time\u201d (MacDonald, 64). We were evolving our subjectivities as team members <em>with<\/em> Madeline, and through the text more generally\u2014this is something I wish we had more time to unpack, but alas, I digress\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): We\u2019ll just have to record another conversation. Anyways, returning to the main point: the spatial tensions in our positionalities were most prevalent in the beginning stages of our research. As our friendship developed, so did the relational space we could claim. Let\u2019s revisit our trusted living room simile. We remained the \u201chost\u201d in our home departments, but we transitioned from \u201cguest\u201d to \u201cfriend\u201d when we were visiting the other\u2019s department. In this sense, a positive feedback loop was created as our spatial authorities\u2014and therefore comforts\u2014enlarged with our emotional connection.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Absolutely. But, also, most of our work within the MAMM team is done online. We have our mapping projects, coding spreadsheets, and work logs\u2014which, for the listeners, are essentially just collaborative Word documents with a table to document when team members are working on different elements of the project and the questions or concerns that are arising. These work logs have been critical in allowing us to document our living experiences, so I want to make sure we chat about our interactions in this virtual form of space.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Yes! The work logs were a compelling insight into how we navigated emotion and\u2014like you were starting to touch upon\u2014embodied space outside of the immediate (or material?) realm.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): I agree. Let\u2019s back-up and add some context\u2026So, as research assistants, we were responsible for coding the entire novel, which meant going through the book sentence-by-sentence to extrapolate data into a spreadsheet. So, despite coming from a geographic training, I was responsible for understanding and implementing literary terms, like focalizer and function, in addition to more familiar geographic terms, like scale and sense of place, when collecting data. The same challenge applied to you, Olivia, but with reversed expertise. And these different gaps in knowledge created insecurities in our capacities to contribute to the team. I\u2019ve joked to you about this before, Olivia, but it\u2019s true\u2026I often wondered: \u201cHow can I contribute meaningful work when I\u2019m still uncertain about the difference between plot and theme?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): As you articulate, Emily, there is real vulnerability in those jokes and our friendship and its established level of trust created a space for this feeling. I know there have been moments where we would often text one another on a communication channel separate from the rest of the team\u2014which, again, comes back to the extension of our relational space\u2014to get confirmation on how we were coding the data. I think our open communication was possible because there is a difference between how one is <em>allowed<\/em> to present themselves to a colleague versus a friend. That latter position is distanced from professional expectations. Overall, through our discussions, we validated the other\u2019s expertise and, therefore, purpose within the team.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Yes! And our work logs encouraged us to be empathetic with one another\u2019s fluctuating rhythms, even when these destabilized the balance of our work. For instance, during the spring exam season, Olivia often prefaced her entries with a sentence resembling \u201cI\u2019m just doing a little bit of work in between grading.\u201d But, understanding her situation, I could translate this to \u201cI\u2019m trying to be helpful, but I\u2019m <em>really <\/em>tired.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): At this same time, Emily was taking a couple of undergraduate courses and engaged in another research assistantship, but\u2014in contrast to me\u2014had a much lighter workload. As a member of the feminist collective MAMM team, Emily could work more to bring the project into balance. However, once the spring term ended, these expectations began to balance, and we returned to a stable state with our division of labour. So, depending on the point in the term, we verbalized and acted upon the need for uneven expectations\u2014an accommodation born out of our ethic of care.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): And, we can understand the importance of using an ethic of care to elevate emotion and embodiment\u2014even when it feels uncomfortable\u2014through the second principle we have selected from D\u2019Ignazio and Klein, which is to \u201cmake labour visible.\u201d So, should we move on?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Let\u2019s do it!<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Cool. Let\u2019s return to how you, Olivia, would preface your entries in our work log: \u201cI\u2019m just doing a little bit of work in between grading.\u201d Through this statement, we\u2014your team members\u2014could witness how you were surveilling your work outputs, which, again, we knew were limited due to your other responsibilities.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): I\u2019ve found, in an isolated praxis we have more capacity to hide our work and, therefore, ourselves. So we might lie about our progress until we have \u2013 for example a finished and polished essay \u2013 to show. This hiding is a form of self-preservation against a neoliberal\u2014and frankly ableist\u2014culture that judges us based on our \u201cproductivity.\u201d However, this coping mechanism becomes unavailable when co-producing knowledge on shared documents. I think we become dependent on navigating our shame through continual self-justification.&nbsp;Even when we face challenging emotions, like shame, we must continue to give them a platform. Through becoming vulnerable, we make ourselves visible\u2014and when something is visible, it can be recognized. Leaning on Sara Ahmed\u2019s (2017) sentiment that \u201ccitation is a feminist memory\u201d (p. 15), from her aptly named <em>Living a Feminist Life<\/em>, we understand this recognition as a political act. We have learned to witness the work of our colleagues\u2014because, at this point, we think our dialogue needs to extend beyond our friendship\u2014and contextualize the labour required for each output, therefore encouraging us to hold a unique appreciation for each team member.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Yeah. You know, I hold so much gratitude for how our tools within this work make space for the act\u2014and not just the idea\u2014of making labour visible. Whether working on data collection, like\u2026pairing images from MacDonald\u2019s archive to specific data points or plotting those points on a map, there\u2019s a work log that allows us to document the labour that\u2019s been invested. And, like we started chatting about earlier, these work logs also became excellent and low-pressure mediums to ask questions to both other student research assistants and the senior project leads. We are all there\u2014albeit at different times and behind different screens kilometers apart\u2014but there, nonetheless, learning (and re-learning) <em>together<\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): I absolutely agree! To build on Emily\u2019s point further, our worklogs interrupt typical academic structures based on working in isolation. Within our data collection Excel sheet we have a built in second encoder space. This acknowledges and holds space for the fact that we are human and are sometimes unsure. The second encoder allows someone to have their work checked without worrying that they will be judged for being unsure or wrong. The work logs do not allow us to hide our labour. I think as another scholar Emily would agree that we are so used to trying to be perfectionists on the first go that we will hide any work in progress or work that we feel does not meet our incredibly high standards.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Agreed, and as you touched upon, our work logs prevented us from escaping surveillance and the questions that come from having our labour observed; so, it\u2019s not necessarily a comfortable process. You <em>must<\/em> allow the rest of the project to be included in your work. And this openness has unsettled us because\u2014as students\u2014we\u2019ve previously found comfort in hiding our work; it\u2019s like a form of self-protection because what cannot be seen cannot be judged.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Now, we would like to bring this episode to a close by sharing two anecdotes. The first, a narrative of negotiating conflict within our friendship and, the second, a heartfelt example of how we made our labour visible to Ann-Marie MacDonald.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Well, in honour of sharing the \u201cmess\u201d of our praxis, we can share how our friendship has involved emotional difficulties throughout this work. You know, sometimes challenges arose from the care work involved in nurturing a feminist friendship; it can be exhausting to feel a sense of obligation to someone when <em>you<\/em> have limited personal capacities. But this aside, most of our emotional tensions developed as we worked-through discipline-based differences in perspective while co-producing work. You know, we\u2019ve talked about how, while coding passages, you and I were able to consult one another as \u201cexperts\u201d on categories derived from our disciplines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): Right. But, this changed when were writing the first draft of the <ins>conference <\/ins>paper \u2013 which would eventually become this very podcast episode &#8211; neither of us held the title of \u201cexpert,\u201d so we had to negotiate our different perspectives. We asked questions like \u201chow should a paper read?\u201d and disagreed but hesitated to compromise \u2013 which largely stems from the fact that we each come from disciplines with different expectations of academic writing. Underneath this tension was a logic of ownership, the antithesis of our feminist praxis, that made us each protective of the paper as \u201cmine,\u201d not \u201cyours.\u201d It was a frustrating\u2014even defeating\u2014process that resulted in wasted time and relational tears.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Absolutely. But, acknowledging our existence as embodied and emplaced beings allows us to understand that it\u2019s impossible to avoid emotional tensions within our working and personal relationships; our experiences with the world are sometimes difficult, and therefore, we can become difficult people.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And it was interesting because, as we transformed the paper into an outline for this conversation, we were much more comfortable with collaboration and compromise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): In contrast to this description of confronting the difficulty of maintaining an ethics of care in the face of conflict, I\u2019d like to end with the description of a joyful, though perhaps equally complicated narrative of MacDonald\u2019s visit. She came to our campus in March to witness the work we have been doing with her novel,&nbsp;<em>The Way the Crow Flies.&nbsp;<\/em>During this visit, we discussed our data collection process before performing a live coding session with a passage from the book. For Emily, myself, and the rest of the team, this was a full-circle moment wherein we were able to demonstrate the complexities of our work to the author by whom we are attempting to do justice.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): But\u2026while we were all honoured to show the person who produced our object of study the research we were conducting, we were also nervous. Scholars within each of our disciplines tend to produce knowledge in an isolated space. Olivia and I\u2014like the rest of our team members\u2014are defaulted to hide perceived failures; so, the prospect of presenting a work-in-progress to MacDonald was nothing short of uncomfortable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 2 (Olivia): However, the MAMM project\u2019s embrace of this discomfort is seen in letting Ann Marie MacDonald into our actual process instead of just showing her the maps we made with the data we collected. We also give equal value to both our data collection tools and the maps we produce using the data collected. Emily, would you say we\u2019re all just as proud of our Excel sheet full of data as we are of the maps we plotted?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Voice 1 (Emily): Absolutely. Our research is in no way detached from the author of our text nor from each other.&nbsp; So, that being said, we\u2019ll continue this conversation next episode with the author herself, Ann-Marie MacDonald.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Alternative: We\u2019ll continue this conversation next episode with more team members.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Show Notes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>SSHRC funded<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Link to Website for further info + to see the map\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/mamm.cfdh.ca\">https:\/\/mamm.cfdh.ca<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>These are in alphabetical order, but I\u2019m open to changing it (PI names first?):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>List the names of MAMM team members: Aaron Mauro, Dana Alrifai, Ebru Ustundag, Neta Gordon, Paige Baziuk, Rene\u00e9 Colucci, Riley Campbell, Sloane Grey, Tim Ribaric<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>List the names of pod team members: Alison Innes, Andrew Camacho<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Brock\u2019s Humanities Research Institute funded (mention that they funded Omeka portion of project)<\/p>\n\n<\/div><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Voice 2 (Olivia) Hello and thank you for tuning in to our podcast, the MAMM Report, my name is Olivia Hay, I am a graduate student in Brock University\u2019s Department of English Language and Literature, and my research interests are primarily Canadian literature written by women. 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